@jeffcliff @mar77i I believe they released something on us, but it’s definitively not what they’re saying it is. And they’re lying if they tell you they’ve isolated the virus.

Need links?

@arzachel @mar77i No they aren't. The virus is isolated anew every day. You are not following the actual trail of research on covid that is ongoing, if you are not aware of this.

@jeffcliff @mar77i thought on this, for starters?: https://hive.blog/worldnews/@francesleader/email-exchange-with-uk-mhra-exposing-the-genomic-sequence-of-sarscov2

@arzachel @mar77i Sorry, no. Wuhan strains are not the only ones being sequenced - every day they are isolated and sequenced all over the world.

@jeffcliff @arzachel You're making me very curious now. Where do you have that from, and can we corroborate this somehow?

@mar77i @arzachel https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global for starters

@mar77i @jeffcliff Frances Leader (hive dot blog, posted above — who I trust more than Jeff from this thread, sorry) & the Irish lawsuit are the two best sources I’ve found

@arzachel @mar77i Don't trust me trust *the data*

We don't have to rely on personalities. We have raw data

@jeffcliff @mar77i manipulated by your favorite personalities!

@arzachel @mar77i primary data from independent labs all over the world. Manipulation would be trivially obvious

@mar77i @jeffcliff https://gemmaodoherty.com/defending-our-freedoms/hse-admit-they-have-no-proof-the-virus-exists/

@arzachel @mar77i Some nobody saying 'there's no proof of X' does not overturn proof of X.

@arzachel @mar77i ie you don't get rid of evidence just because you don't want to believe it exists

@jeffcliff @arzachel @mar77i I didn't read the link, but I've repeatedly run into people that think that the PCR test for the virus is the only method of detecting the virus we have, and so it must have never been isolated. But there are several scientific papers about the virus having been isolated.

@Moon @jeffcliff @arzachel So you’re going to trust the people who make the fancy graphs like in jeff’s link with your health decisions?

@mar77i @Moon @arzachel No. You shouldn't trust them. You should trust *the data*.

@jeffcliff @Moon @arzachel Okay, are you going to trust me once we’re supposed to believe Earth is being contacted by aliens?

I wish I was kidding.

@mar77i @Moon @arzachel If you provide easily verifiable evidence produced by thousands of independent entities around the world probably

@mar77i @arzachel @jeffcliff My position is that multiple labs in different countries have said they've isolated and sequenced the virus, and are using each others' data, so it's not fake because that would have to have taken impractical levels of deception and coordination to have pulled off. We can argue about if any particular policy for managing the virus is good or bad, but I'm confident that the virus is real and sequenced.

@mar77i @arzachel *a lot* of different independent labs. This isn't just one or two we're talking. This includes labs that are within blocks of where I'm sitting right now. Multiple labs.

@Moon @mar77i @arzachel @jeffcliff

Totally - the ideas that the virus hasn't been sequenced or hasn't been cultured is mostly politically motivated disinformation, though there are some genuine weird science people who've set such a high bar for verifying a culture that the virus would practically have to stand up in the flask and do a hula dance for them before they'd accept it. But there are always some like that. Even Kary Mullis, the inventor of PCR, went wacko after a certain point. Which is being much exploited by the disinformationists in old video clips where he's still seen denying the validity of the HIV test.

@Moon @mar77i @jeffcliff lots of jiggery-pokery with redefining “isolation”: http://drug-dissolution-testing.com/blog/files/no-isolated-virus.pdf

@arzachel @mar77i @jeffcliff this guy is handwaving, first he says you can't isolate then says that dna evidence must be fake because you can't isolate. we have its entire dna sequenced and studied for over a year now so he's just wrong.

@Moon @arzachel @jeffcliff Hanlon’s razor still applies.

And if you want to argue 1919 numbers, this “event”, using the orders of magnitude from back then, which are per million capita, there’s barely even a blip on the map.

@Moon @mar77i @jeffcliff No, he’s saying that— just like with “pandemic” & “herd immunity”— the definition of “isolated” has been quietly altered. Anyway, take it up with him here: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/saeed-qureshi-3664a18_virus-isolate-vs-isolated-virus-an-activity-6751551896345022464-FHEb

@arzachel @mar77i @jeffcliff he is arguing that we can't have isolated the coronavirus because we've never isolated the reference coronavirus that they're being compared to. He is going beyond saying we haven't isolated COVID-19 and is saying we've never isolated any coronaviruses. He's apparently arguing that all virology is a hoax and not just COVID-19.

@Moon @arzachel @jeffcliff @mar77i koch's postulates still unproven to this day though

@hakui @arzachel @jeffcliff @mar77i I didn't think it ever applied to viruses but I can't speak further than that on the topic.

@hakui @Moon @arzachel @mar77i koch's postulates didn't exist in a universe with HeLa

@hakui @arzachel @mar77i ie Koch, if he still existed, would be fine with our use of HeLa for the equivalent purposes

@jeffcliff @arzachel @mar77i cancer cells don't behave the same way as normal cells in an individual

@hakui @arzachel @mar77i not exactly but they do when it comes to an ACE2 grabbing @covid19

@Moon @mar77i @jeffcliff http://www.drug-dissolution-testing.com/?p=3621

@jeffcliff @arzachel So what if it is. Is voluntarism bad? The founding fathers’ conception of freedom?

Corbett lays out the pieces in a compelling way, IMO.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/y-QQdheISPI/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/UQvaQFdGLn8/

Coming from that angle, yeah, you might get sick and die from natural causes at any age. But do we need to artificially induce systemic morbidity?

@mar77i @arzachel The founding fathers’ conception of freedom?

I don't really care

> Is voluntarism bad?

that's too general of a question

> Coming from that angle, yeah, you might get sick and die from natural causes at any age.

Fuck natural causes. We have an foreign invader ending millions of human lives, and one that wasn't attacking us 2 years ago. And videos like the above claim that it isn't happening, despite the mountains of evidence coming out every day about the nature of the invader.

> But do we need to artificially induce systemic morbidity?

Yes if it means destroying the global threat

@jeffcliff @arzachel

> Yes if it means destroying the global threat

Why does it seem so absurd to you that the global threat you're helping to destroy could possibly be humanity, and with that, yourself?

Oh no, let's check some headlines. Look no further.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we-need-to-act-boldly-now-if-we-are-to-avoid-economy-wide-lockdowns-to-halt-climate-change-11600879250

@mar77i @arzachel Because it is absurd. A virus is not humanity. We lived just fine without this virus for millenia, and we will live fine without it. We know what we have to do to get rid of it, we just have to act.

@jeffcliff @arzachel In my country a nauseating amount of 102% of people who died the previous year died in 2020. The flu existed last year too, and this year was rather turbulent even apart from the scare. And I look at a newspaper around here and get a daily reminder how bad things are, if I should make an estimate based on that I would assume that at least 200% of the 2019 amount died 2020. How am I supposed to ignore this cognitive dissonance?

@mar77i @arzachel Your country probably went into lockdown, keep that in mind

@jeffcliff @arzachel Yeah, that’s why I mentally ascribe most of the excess death to suicides.

@mar77i @jeffcliff @arzachel what the shit did I just read? These people are insane.

@arzachel i know of three people who died last week of 'covid'. Kind of concerning its now literally next door.

@arzachel